**monthly matches**

MichaelV · Post by **MichaelV** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:30 am

AR15barrels wrote:
At the request of this thread, there will be NO 100yd targets at the march match.

Perfect.

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:32 am

Oh shit!

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:37 am

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:37 am

Mike.. I agree with you but at what point does a 308 become a disadvantage and at what point is it at no disadvantage? Really? You kick ass with your GAP 308 but that's just it... its a GAP 308. Hardly the same as the guy who shows up shooting his SPS with tupperware stock that he just got from turners last week. There really is no easy way to divide or regulate a class which is why so far its been any 308. Having a nascar style tech inspection on 308 rifles before a match is just silly and we don't have time. I have personally witnessed how well a factory rem in a HS stock will shoot and in my mind they are at no disadvantage in a match where wind/air density/ distance never really become a factor in the choice of caliber. Even an HS stock added should disqualify you from top 308 at our matches in my eyes. Top 308 makes sense at a place like Sac valley... not at a 300yd angeles match though. I don't care if we keep top 308 but I feel like its just a glorified looser. Unless that is you take your bone stock SPS and whoop someones ass with a GAP 308. Now that deserves 2 medals!!

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:38 am

AR15barrels wrote:
You should know better than to challenge a flatbiller to anything related to dirt-based motorsports!

stupid punker should've known!!

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:39 am

AR15barrels wrote:
At the request of this thread, there will be NO 100yd targets and no prep time at the march match.
All stages will start from port arms.

Nice! Should be a fun challenging change of pace.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:39 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:at what point does a 308 become a disadvantage?

When you fire the first round and start feeling the recoil.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:41 am

AR15barrels wrote:
When you fire the first round and start feeling the recoil.

So because of recoil a 308 shooter should get a medal? Put your purses down ladies!! Just don't ask me to out mine down

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:51 am

brian01tj wrote: without brakes

Swan wrote: ahh, screw that! I'm out

DirtRacer151 wrote: haha +1 me too

DirtRacer151 wrote:So because of recoil a 308 shooter should get a medal? Put your purses down ladies!!

Geez James you change your tune so quickly

Yes I read you carry a purse too

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:55 am

brian01tj wrote:

Geez James you change your tune so quickly Yes I read you carry a purse too

Maybe you don't understand what "just don't ask me to out mine down" means....

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:55 am

AR15barrels wrote:At the request of this thread, there will be NO 100yd targets and no prep time at the march match.
All stages will start from port arms.

I love how Randall keeps editing his post to make it harder and harder and harder.

This March match should be fun.

MichaelV · Post by **MichaelV** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:56 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:Mike.. I agree with you but at what point does a 308 become a disadvantage and at what point is it at no disadvantage? Really? I don't care if we keep top 308 but I feel like its just a glorified loser.

I guess my answer would be the .308 is our military's sniper round and it's what we would be using if we we practicing our skills in Afghanistan. I respect the .308 and ultimately what do we lose if we have the a Top .308 medal? It makes our shooters feel good about coming out with their sticks and trying their best. Nothing wrong with that.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:00 am

MichaelV wrote:
I guess my answer would be the .308 is our military's sniper round and it's what we would be using if we we practicing our skills in Afghanistan. I respect the .308 and ultimately what do we lose if we have the a Top .308 medal? It makes our shooters feel good about coming out with their sticks and trying their best. Nothing wrong with that.

Mike.. nothing wrong with it. Just giving my opinion. If I was shooting 308 id be gunning for #1 and that's it!!

Are you practicing to be a sniper?

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:01 am

DirtRacer151 wrote: Maybe you don't understand what "just don't ask me to out mine down" means....

No I read it fine.....just wanted to hear you say it again

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:04 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:Are you practicing to be a sniper?

Oh someone needs to be the resident ninja and show up wearing a ghillie suit , any takers?

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:05 am

brian01tj wrote:
No I read it fine.....just wanted to hear you say it again

Don't pat yourself on the back for shooting a 308. Im sure I can dig up a pic somewhere with 3 limbsaver recoil pads on your stock and many bruises on your shoulder covered in tears before you got your muzzle brake put on.

MichaelV · Post by **MichaelV** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:08 am

DirtRacer151 wrote: Mike.. nothing wrong with it. Just giving my opinion. If I was shooting 308 id be gunning for #1 and that's it!!

Are you practicing to be a sniper?

It's funny how everyone likes to pretend the roots of our discipline is something other that what it is. I shoot precision because yes I am a weekend sniper wannabe. So is everyone else in this club.

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:10 am

DirtRacer151 wrote: So because of recoil a 308 shooter should get a medal? Put your purses down ladies!! Just don't ask me to out mine down

A .308 shooting a 155gr bullet does not have much more recoil than a .260 shooting a 142SMK. If you shoot something other that a 155gr bullet in the .308 that is your choice. Rewards should not be given to people for making silly choices. What if the .308 shooter has a brake and the .260 does not? The .260 shooter has more recoil, should he get the Top .308 award?

This is all are very slippery slope in my eyes. I have the components to build a .308 shooting CNC solids that are as light and have a greater BC than 142's. Does that sill qualify for top 308? What about the guys shooting fixed power scopes, no DBM, no brake or stock triggers?

264Charlie · Post by **264Charlie** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:11 am

MichaelV wrote:
It's funny how everyone likes to pretend the roots of our discipline is something other that what it is. I shoot precision because yes I am a weekend sniper wannabe. So is everyone else in this club.

I started for long range hunting practice... Not a weekend sniper wannabe at all.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:11 am

MichaelV wrote:
It's funny how everyone likes to pretend the roots of our discipline is something other that what it is. I shoot precision because yes I am a weekend sniper wannabe. So is everyone else in this club.

Shhhhhhhhh :lol:

;)

MichaelV · Post by **MichaelV** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:12 am

264Charlie wrote:

I started for long range hunting practice... Not a weekend sniper wannabe at all.

ok everyone 'cept charlie. He's got a real reason. :lol:

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:14 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:
Don't pat yourself on the back for shooting a 308. Im sure I can dig up a pic somewhere with 3 limbsaver recoil pads on your stock and many bruises on your shoulder covered in tears before you got your muzzle brake put on.

no comment

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:15 am

How about an Iron Man 3 Gun match un-braked 308, 45 acp+p, and 12 ga slugs only

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:19 am

brian01tj wrote:
Oh someone needs to be the resident ninja and show up wearing a ghillie suit , any takers?

I say the entire club shows up to a match wearing ghillie suits we shoot our match like always but when we go check targets it has to be in the low crawl. All while someone records the rest of the range's reaction to it all :lol:

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:21 am

ColdSteel wrote: Really though.. I'm taller than Ricky Carmichael.

Im guessing you had to crouch down a little lower on your knees?

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:22 am

Juice5610 wrote: I say the entire club shows up to a match wearing ghillie suits we shoot our match like always but when we go check targets it has to be in the low crawl. All while someone records the rest of the range's reaction to it all

lol thats great!

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:22 am

AR15barrels wrote:All stages will start from port arms.

If the stages are going to start from high ready (which I think is a great idea for this March Madness Mixer Match), then what about also requiring the bipods to be folded at the start of the buzzer? It seems weird to me to have a match with high ready but with the bipod legs splayed out and ready. That feels gamed.

It also seems weird to me to have a match with all stages starting at high ready, but also with rear bags on the ground and at the ready. That feels gamed too. How about no rear bags or head towels for this match?

I'm not proposing that all of our matches be shot like this. But this March Madness Mixer Match seems like a good time to have a mixer match with folded bipods, high ready, and no rear bags. Basically, the entire match would be a wildcard instead of just one or two wildcard stages. The videos for such a match would be really fun to watch too.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:27 am

Juice5610 wrote: I say the entire club shows up to a match wearing ghillie suits we shoot our match like always but when we go check targets it has to be in the low crawl. All while someone records the rest of the range's reaction to it all

Lol im sooo game for this!!

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:31 am

johnlee wrote:
If the stages are going to start from high ready (which I think is a great idea for this March Madness Mixer Match), then what about also requiring the bipods to be folded at the start of the buzzer? It seems weird to me to have a match with high ready but with the bipod legs splayed out and ready. That feels gamed.

It also seems weird to me to have a match with all stages starting at high ready, but also with rear bags on the ground and at the ready. That feels gamed too. How about NO rear bags or head towels or anything for this match? Just your hand also no gloves

I'm not proposing that all of our matches be shot like this. But this March Madness Mixer Match seems like a good time to have a mixer match with folded bipods, high ready, and no rear bags. Basically, the entire match would be a wildcard instead of just one or two wildcard stages. The videos for such a match would be really fun to watch too.

HUUUUGE +1 for a completely unsupported match no bags no head towels no gloved fists. Just your hand. I've never done it before but would be down for it.

brian01tj · Post by **brian01tj** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:40 am

Juice5610 wrote:
HUUUUGE +1 for a completely unsupported match no bags no head towels no gloved fists. Just your hand. I've never done it before but would be down for it.

Mark runs his West End matches this way. Cant remember but gloves may be ok

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:42 am

ColdSteel wrote:
Oh boy.. Someone better call life flight.
You're gona get hurt trying to keep up on that 4 wheel deathtrap.

Really though.. I'm taller than Ricky Carmichael.
Who says your legs gotta touch the ground to haul ass??

You know ricky carmichael wears risers in his boots?
I love how your so quick to discount the abilities of a quad. Quads can corner twice as fast usually.. especially in flat corners with no berms or ruts for the bikes to use. There's not many times in the past 10yrs that i've ever been passed by a bike. In fact its fun when you get next to one on the track and the start riding all aggressively because they have something against quads. Many bikes have gone off berms end over end for trying to show me a wheel in the corner or square me off. Its funny because all the bikes that have ever gone up against a quad are easy to spot...they move out of the way when they see you coming lmao!!

I grew up from age 5 riding behind a dad in the desert that used to race hare scrambles and barstow to vegas races. Don't give me this "let's bring it to the desert where the real men ride" bullshit!! Ill take you on any surface you can think about.. natural or man prepped... 2 wheels or 4.

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:51 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:
You know ricky carmichael wears risers in his boots?
I love how your so quick to discount the abilities of a quad. Quads can corner twice as fast usually.. especially in flat corners with no berms or ruts for the bikes to use. There's not many times in the past 10yrs that i've ever been passed by a bike. In fact its fun when you get next to one on the track and the start riding all aggressively because they have something against quads. Many bikes have gone off berms end over end for trying to show me a wheel in the corner or square me off. Its funny because all the bikes that have ever gone up against a quad are easy to spot...they move out of the way when they see you coming lmao!!

I grew up from age 5 riding behind a dad in the desert that used to race hare scrambles and barstow to vegas races. Don't give me this "let's bring it to the desert where the real men ride" bullshit!! Ill take you on any surface you can think about.. natural or man prepped... 2 wheels or 4.

roypark · Post by **roypark** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:56 am

The March match sounds challenging and fun. I was planning to volunteer to help in March but now I may want to shoot it. If we are short on volunteers this month, I'll still help spot.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:05 am

ColdSteel wrote:
Aw, shit.. Someone better bust out the ruler.. This just turned into a dick measuring contest...
Maybe I better not race you.. I don't want to get run off the track...

Really though.. I have a really hard time believing you can keep up with a bike through deep irregular whoops and other sorts of off camber riding...
Maybe your hat is on so crooked it's cutting off circulation to your brain. Hard to say.

Only one way to settle this one pilgrim...

Desert. Lets do it.

Deep irregular whoops are handled the same way on a quad as they are on a bike... hammer down and don't let off until it flattens out! There's a reason I have a few S&B scopes worth of suspension on my quad. While it may not be as fun to ride in the whoops as a bike it will surely get the job done. I usually prefer to hit the first whoop an jump the rest anyway. Its less work like that.

There's a track 20min from my house....that's 1hr closer then the nearest desert. There's whoops, ruts, jumps, and berms. We can even go ride glen helen if you wanna climb mt st helen because according to you "real men do hill climbs" :lol:

Juice5610 · Post by **Juice5610** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:34 am

Alright ladies lets get this thread back on track just remember to have someone record it so we can see what happened.

Post by **Gnzrme** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:37 am

Wow... I go to bed early for 3 days and look what happens.... Now we are shooting the next match differently, and James and Curtis want to race....

I just want to shoot, but it is nice to have targets that you can read and plenty of time to prepare.. Guess I'll have to step it up...

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:44 am

Let's see, we got politics, whining, b*tch fest, chest thumping and now dick measuring. The club has come of age.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:49 am

ColdSteel wrote:
A few S&B scopes?! You got snookered! They musta saw you coming from a mile away.. Well, you do ride a quad...
That kinda reminds me of some people that show up to the range with all the latest tactical gear, grey poupon rifle, kestrel, fancy drag bag... And still can't shoot.
I've got less than a grand tied up in my springs and valves.

Here.. Whatcha doin in October?/? Your wife gona give you time off to go play motorcycle with the boys?
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revalving your forks is much different then doing a total suspension swap on a quad. Its everything from replacing the front shocks to a-arms, swingarms, axles, steering dampeners, and all the heims/ uniballs. I paid cost for all my stuff. That's just the way it goes with quads. Just recently have the factorys decided to see the light and make production quads with decent shocks and a-arms.

Btw... your forks arent even flipped the right way on that bike lol

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:53 am

Gnzrme wrote:Wow... I go to bed early for 3 days and look what happens.... Now we are shooting the next match differently, and James and Curtis want to race....

I just want to shoot, but it is nice to have targets that you can read and plenty of time to prepare.. Guess I'll have to step it up...

The important part of this post is that steven finally went back to bed...

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:07 pm

MichaelV wrote:ok everyone 'cept charlie. He's got a real reason.

I just want to win.
I don't care what type of competition it is.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:10 pm

johnlee wrote:
If the stages are going to start from high ready (which I think is a great idea for this March Madness Mixer Match), then what about also requiring the bipods to be folded at the start of the buzzer? It seems weird to me to have a match with high ready but with the bipod legs splayed out and ready. That feels gamed.

Who said anything about bipods and rear bags being allowed?

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:12 pm

ColdSteel wrote:Maybe your hat is on so crooked it's cutting off circulation to your brain. Hard to say.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:14 pm

Chris wrote:Let's see, we got politics, whining, b*tch fest, chest thumping and now dick measuring. The club has come of age.

All in less than 2 months too!

Connor P Price · Post by **Connor P Price** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:19 pm

AR15barrels wrote:
All in less than 2 months too!

They just grow up so fast!

johnlee · Post by **johnlee** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:22 pm

AR15barrels wrote:Who said anything about bipods and rear bags being allowed?

Sweet!

This March Madness could be epic.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:40 pm

ColdSteel wrote: If I wanted to ride around in a 74,000 dollar 4 wheeler, I'd get a trophy truck,

cough, cough :lol:

They're just slightly more expensive than that.

Post by **snappy** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:41 pm

Top .308 is going to be around for a while.

Pthfndr · Post by **Pthfndr** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:34 pm

AR15barrels wrote:Who said anything about bipods and rear bags being allowed?

Sounds like my kind of match! Are wood stocked rifles allowed?

Short Action Precision · Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:52 pm

Pthfndr wrote:
Sounds like my kind of match! Are wood stocked rifles allowed?

Of course.

GforceJunkie · Post by **GforceJunkie** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:27 pm

Awesome, even the leftys have to start "port" arm, yes?!?!

AR15barrels wrote:
At the request of this thread, there will be NO 100yd targets and no prep time at the march match.
All stages will start from port arms.