Wegc PBR AAR 11-16-14

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:51 pm

First off I'd like to thank James for putting his rifle down bringing us a challenging match... Thanks Bigg homie!!!!

Today's match had a total of 15 shooters including 3 new guys to PBR...hope you guys enjoyed yourselves & hope to see you guys back. Larry, Darren & Phil did great today.

Just as predicted we had multiple target failures (paper stages) that had to be scratched but we improvised & kept on shooting.

The wind was a real challenge today with gusts up in the 30mph range with dirt & dust just getting into every part of your rifle, I had to bust out the cleaning rod to remove sand in the chamber & all up in the action. Closing the bolt was really hard & gritty but cleaning it a bit really helped, I know I passed the cleaning rod to a few guys.

Today's COF was as follows.... However they weren't in this order
Stage 1 - Warm up towel head
Targets - (2) IPSC flappers @ 395yds, (2) 8" hanging @ 515yds, (2) Skinny sammies flappers @ 310yds, Taliban target @ 150ish
75 seconds
(7) rounds
Starting prone with mag in, bolt back.
On beep shooters will engage the taliban target with 1 round) then engage their 395yd flapper with 1 round, then engage the 515yd plate with 1 round, then the 310yd flappers with 1 round. Then repeat on steel only!!
Cold bore hits were made Darren,Solo & myself
Joe H, Phil, Larry, & Eddy all had 2 hits on steel for the rest of the stage (highest for the stage)

Stage 2 - Holdovers (2 shooters at a time)
(6) Rounds
Shooters begin prone behind rifle, bolts back.
Targets- 310yd skinny sammys , 395yd IPSC flappers, & 515yd 8" plate
10 pts per hit
60 sec prep time
Starting prone with bolt back
On beep shooters will have 90 seconds to engage 310yd skinny sammys , 395yd ipsc flappers, & 515yd 8" plate from near to far then repeat. Shooters will advance to next target if they miss shot. Once stage begins shooters may not touch their elevation knobs.
Evin,JoeV,Jason, Danny all had 4 hits for a stage high score

Stage 4 - Long range steel circles 12"
This stage replaced our paper long shot stage because the wind was blowing so hard the paper stands & targets weren't holding up..... So the shooter had 30 sec to send 5 rnds down range & hopefully hit the huge steel.. With this much wind it was very hard to make hits.
Solo was kickin ass with that gasser scoring 4 hits for the highest score.

Stage 5 - Pool balls
Targets - 150yd blue / purple pool ball paper, 310yds (any size) red, green, brown, 395yds (any size) orange, yellow. 515yds black.
120 seconds
(10) rounds
Starting prone with mag in and bolt back
On beep shooters will engage pool balls in order of 1-8. All targets must be hit to advance and they must be hit in the correct order or the player will "scratch". The Black 8 target will be worth 30 points but a miss on this target counts as a "scratch" and a zero for the stage. The order & color of the balls were given just prior to shooting.... This was a fun stage
Evin & Joe V had 5 hits each for this stage.

Stage 6- tank trap hostage
Target - 250yd hostage IPSC
60 seconds
(5) rounds
Starting port arms
On beep shooters will engage hostage taker 5 times. -10 for hostage hits.
Joe H, Aaron, Solo & Evin all scored 3 hits.

Stage 8 - roof top
Targets - 310yd 10" white & 395yd 12" white
90 seconds
(6) rounds
Starting port arms with no gear staged on prop
On beep shooters will run up roof top and engage 310yd target with 1 round. Then transition to 395yd target and engage with 1 round. Repeat process until all 6 rounds have been fired.
Jason took this stage with 4 impressive hits on the rocking rooftop. Awesome shooting Jason!!

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:52 pm

1st place Soloman 180 (shooting James gasser 260) outstanding job Solo!!
2nd place Joe V 180 great job Joe!! ( we had to use the coldbore target to break the tie)
3rd place Evin 170 way to go Evin.
4. Jason 140
5. Myself 130 shooting my daughters gun with no dope.
6. Joe H 120
7/8 Aaron & Danny tied 110
9. Phil 80 Takes top 308 awesome shooting for your first match with us.
10/11 Larry & Darren 70 (first match)
12. Henry G 60
13. Eddy 40
14. Brett 30
15. Steve DNF

Pic of today's winners circle

We were constantly getting hammered by dust as you can see. Everybody's hair got messed up .. Even james haaa!

Here is my coldbore target @150yds straigh thru the scope ( almost haa!) Carlos Hathcock style ;)

Danny on the rooftop that was rocking by the wind making it really hard.

Larry making quick corrections

Jason helping spot on many stages where targets were all spread around the range. Thanks for all your help Jason

Mastermind James spotting

Evin helping spot as well

Eddy on the tank trap

Phil getting mentally ready

Downrange67 · Post by **Downrange67** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:11 pm

I still had fun! but the wind SUCKS!!

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:19 pm

I would've had more fun shooting. Spotting and dealing with that wind fucking made the day suck even worse lol. Thanks for showing up anyway guys. (Personally I wouldve stayed home lol)

Teletiger7 · Post by **Teletiger7** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:55 pm

Wind conditions were miserable. Dirt getting kicked up everywhere. My chamber got gummed up and couldnt close the bolt in one stage. My trigger went down during another stage. I would squeeze and nothing. Then i would hit the stock and Bang! Squirted some one shot cleaner into the trigger works and was back in business. Goodtimes.

gau17 · Post by **gau17** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:58 pm

Thanks Rich and James for putting the match together. It's always fun seeing everyone (with or without wind).

evo · Post by **evo** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:54 pm

Thanks guys, despite the conditions this was good experience in wind calling. Now I just need to deep clean my rifle.

Post by **Hollywood_Shooter** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:23 pm

Thanks to everyone - I really enjoyed myself. Great first time experience!

Was that windy? I didn't notice....

evo · Post by **evo** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:03 am

Here's a shot through the GenII Razor of the 300Y skinny sammies...

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Check out all the dirt on the action!

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Post by **Gnzrme** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:47 am

Free sandblast anyone.... ??

postal · Post by **postal** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:12 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:I would've had more fun shooting. Spotting and dealing with that wind fucking made the day suck even worse lol. Thanks for showing up anyway guys. (Personally I wouldve stayed home lol)

Told ya so!!!!!!
:lol:

Great job guys.

New guys did really well it looks like. Hope you all come back out.

Post by **thegiff** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:11 pm

In the worst wind condition I had to aim 1.5 mils over for wind. I don't know how the heck Jason got 4 hits off the rooftop, it was shaking my crosshairs about 3 feet on the target left/right really fast. I had 1 jam due to grit, some gravel got blown in and I couldn't close the bolt.

Otherwise, was a blast, literally! Was interesting to deal with that kind of wind, and I missed the wind direction change between stages where I had been aiming to the right, and had to aim about 1/2mil left instead.

On a totally unrelated note, a berger 105 sent at 3200fps impacts around 2860 at 200yd.
And sent at 3000fps, impacts around 2915 at 50yd, which punches a hole in semi-hard 1/4" plate. At 200yd it impacts at 2670fps and dents said plate.

I was at IMS (Industrial Metal Supply), they started carrying ar500 targets, looks like the prices are better than average but I didn't write any down. They have an IPSC plate that's about 18X24 or so for around $100 or $120 or so. Either 3/8 or 1/2" thick, but I didn't think to look close at them. Anyway might be able to use one of these cut up suitably for the mover armor.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:54 pm

thegiff wrote:In the worst wind condition I had to aim 1.5 mils over for wind. I don't know how the heck Jason got 4 hits off the rooftop, it was shaking my crosshairs about 3 feet on the target left/right really fast. I had 1 jam due to grit, some gravel got blown in and I couldn't close the bolt.

Otherwise, was a blast, literally! Was interesting to deal with that kind of wind, and I missed the wind direction change between stages where I had been aiming to the right, and had to aim about 1/2mil left instead.

On a totally unrelated note, a berger 105 sent at 3200fps impacts around 2860 at 200yd.
And sent at 3000fps, impacts around 2915 at 50yd, which punches a hole in semi-hard 1/4" plate. At 200yd it impacts at 2670fps and dents said plate.

I was at IMS (Industrial Metal Supply), they started carrying ar500 targets, looks like the prices are better than average but I didn't write any down. They have an IPSC plate that's about 18X24 or so for around $100 or $120 or so. Either 3/8 or 1/2" thick, but I didn't think to look close at them. Anyway might be able to use one of these cut up suitably for the mover armor.

Thanks Aaron. I'll call them tomorrow!

I'm sure that ar400 plate will be fine if we don't shoot it closer then 200yds but I'm thinking maybe it's not worth the risk.

LoneWolf · Post by **LoneWolf** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:16 am

This was a fun first match experience. Stories of the winds and dust will be shared for quite some time I'm sure. I think everyone got a free Lug Lapping lol.

I'll definitely be out again guys. A lot was learned and a lot to be learned. This is definitely the type of challenge I was looking for.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:43 am

Aaron- dude on the phone says they sell precuts but they can't custom cut it unfortunately.

Hmmm...what to do. Should we just weld this bitch up with the AR400? What say you guys?

Stoopy · Post by **Stoopy** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:40 am

DirtRacer151 wrote:Aaron- dude on the phone says they sell precuts but they can't custom cut it unfortunately.

Hmmm...what to do. Should we just weld this bitch up with the AR400? What say you guys?

weld it up with what you got and set it up at 400yards. If the armor holds up well for a couple matches move it to 300yards. If it starts to take a beating replace the armor with ar500 plate.

gau17 · Post by **gau17** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:23 pm

Just don't let Steven shoot at it and call it a day.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:38 pm

You could hang a 1/4" mild steel plate in front to act as a sacrificial plate. Any bullet that gets through won't have much energy to really damage the plate. And you make anyone that hits pay the damages.... That way we will all hold HIGH.

LoneWolf · Post by **LoneWolf** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:10 am

buffybuster wrote:You could hang a 1/4" mild steel plate in front to act as a sacrificial plate. Any bullet that gets through won't have much energy to really damage the plate. And you make anyone that hits pay the damages.... That way we will all hold HIGH.

What if you put a 1/4" circle plate on top with a bolt in the center that separates the two plates that will allow the front plate to move with the impacts so they have more of a glancing affect.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:27 pm

LoneWolf wrote:
What if you put a 1/4" circle plate on top with a bolt in the center that separates the two plates that will allow the front plate to move with the impacts so they have more of a glancing affect.

Something like that. Somehow provide an airgap between the plates and allow the plate to swing to dissipate the energy.

gau17 · Post by **gau17** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:34 pm

What about angling the front plate so it deflects the impact?

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:27 pm

gau17 wrote:What about angling the front plate so it deflects the impact?

That is a given. Any hard plate will soften over the impacts. Every impact will anneal the steel, even when no damage is visible. The heat generated by the impact will anneal that area softening that area.

Post by **thegiff** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:32 pm

Well, what are the dimensions of the shield plate you need? It can be cut with carbide, if the piece you need can come out of this plate then I can cut it at my work. Elsewise, does anybody you/we know have a plasma cutter? I have a torch, it will cut it but the heat affected zone might be a little wide.

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:59 pm

Jeff already cut the plate with his plasma cutter, the plate will hold up guys ... We aren't shooting it at 50yds. The 308 & 243 just dented it at 200yds.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:31 pm

bcrich wrote:Jeff already cut the plate with his plasma cutter, the plate will hold up guys ... We aren't shooting it at 50yds. The 308 & 243 just dented it at 200yds.

If we keep it at 200 and beyond it should be fine. My worry is like Henry said if multiple hits happen in the same spot.

I talked it over with Brandon. We're just gonna build it and see how it holds up. If we have to get a better plate later then so be it..

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:40 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:
If we keep it at 200 and beyond it should be fine. My worry is like Henry said if multiple hits happen in the same spot.

I talked it over with Brandon. We're just gonna build it and see how it holds up. If we have to get a better plate later then so be it..

Can you clamp into a bracket so it would be easy to pull and swap out, without any welding. Then you can have precut plates to change out as needed.