NCPPRC Feb LR Match Results

[vu308]

COF#1 - Positional and No rear support till 800.

Well it looks like we set a new club record for attendance at a LR match with 59 shooters today! We had over 100 shooters on the line this past weekend with over 40 + shooters at Saturdays practice.

Once again, the "The Animal" takes home 1st place with an impressive 420 3x. Things are so tight these days if you blow your CBS, you can forget about seeing the top 10.

Conditions were constant on first relay, but a lil more switchy by 2nd relay. I was holding .4 to 1.2 @ 1K between shots and strings.

1 Kuehl, Francis 420 3X 260rem USO
2 Powers, Todd 404 2X 260rem Premier 5-25X
3 Denny, Jacob 401 5X 260rem Premier 5-25X
4 Shaw, Shawn 399 1X 260rem Premier 5-25X
5 McGinnis, Matt 393 2X 243win S&B
6 Dunnett, Robert 384 2X 284win NXS
7 Kirkpatrick, John 379 2X 6.5x284 Premier 5-25X
8 Ducos, Joe 367 3X 260rem Premier 5-25X
9 Skitarellic, David 364 0X 6.5cm USO
10 Boak, Jason 363 3X 308win S&B
11 Lorenzo, Dennis 361 0X 260rem USO
12 Buckley, Sam 359 4X 6.5x47 Bushnell
13 Laviolette, Travis 359 2X 260rem NXS
14 Alvi, Jake 343 0X 260rem Premier 5-25X
15 Kerley, David 338 6X 243win S&B or Premier 5-25X
16 Roper, Dave 335 0X 260rem Premier 5-25X
17 Cecil, Mike 329 4X 260rem Who knows....
18 Parker, Shane 329 2X 223rem USO
19 Pham, Vu 327 2X 260rem Premier 5-25X
20 Van Gerpen, Matt 327 0X 260rem NXS
21 Martin, Tim 322 1X 284win Leupold?
22 Nugmanov, Bob 320 0X 308win Premier 5-25X
23 Guiffreda, Vince 319 2X 260rem Premier 5-25X
24 Davis, Dave 316 2X 284win Leupold
25 Young, Nick 314 3X 308win Bushnell
26 Neller, Chuck 312 3X 6.5cm NXS
27 Hromadko, Gary 310 0X 243win Premier 5-25X
28 Sieburt, Kurt 309 1X 308win Leupold
29 Thomas, Robert 307 3X 7mm08 NXS
30 Icay, Eric 307 0X 260rem Premier 5-25X
31 Canupp, Tim 287 2X 308win Premier 5-25X
32 Oneto, Bradley 285 2X 6.5cm USO
33 Coiner, Chuck 275 0X 6.5gren
34 Sandretto, Don 273 2X 243win
35 Ching, Wei 268 1X 243win
36 Freidenfelt, Dave 265 2X 308win
37 Sanders, Brian 265 0X 243win USO or Premier 5-25X
38 Bowen, Jerry 259 1X 260rem Premier 5-25X
39 Yeung, Brian 258 1X 6.5cm
40 Springer, Scott 254 0X 260rem Premier 5-25X
41 Kerby, Doyal 253 1X 308win
42 Cruz, Vincent 242 2X 308win
43 Veach, David 240 1X 308win
44 Embley, Brian 237 0X 6.5cm
45 Baird, Christian 231 1X 308win
46 Davenport, Rod 223 0X 260rem Premier 5-25X
47 Ritz, Jeff 223 0X 308win
48 Small, Scott 219 1X 308win
49 Garcia, Gerard 215 1X 308win
50 Yoshimune, Paul 192 0X 308win Premier 5-25X
51 Dunlap, John 187 1X 284win Premier 5-25X
52 Mazzola, Joe 183 0X 308win
53 Jones, Duel 182 0X 308win
54 Mac, George 169 1X 308win Premier 5-25X
55 Yakabe, Lani 167 0X 260rem
56 Roff, Vic 156 0X 308win
57 Sisco, Shannon 143 0X 308win
58 Gregory, Joe 106 0X 6.5x47
59 Tedford, Rick 68 0X 280ack

[DirtRacer151]

The 260s whooped some ass this month!!

Nice turn out, Vu.

[DirtRacer151]

12- 260s in the top 20

[AR15barrels]

12- 260s in the top 20

Yeah, Charile's right, 260's are too hard to load for...

[vu308]

DR,

The 260s are flying well for us. We track all the calibers shot, and 260s and 308win are a tie with about 33% each. The 6.5CM is catching on due to the availability of factory ammo. Some of our guys are too busy to reload.


I notice you boys had a nice showing in Vegas....Mr. Ryan up top once again...

[AR15barrels]

I notice you boys had a nice showing in Vegas....Mr. Ryan up top once again...

We finally got Kurt to split his match into two relays and run stages side-by-side.
He ran 28 shooters through 10 stages saturday in about the same time it used to take to run 16 shooters.

[DirtRacer151]

That's really impressive/promising results. Thanks for taking the time to find everyones caliber and posting it. Now if we could get you to post up everyones scope we would be in business

[vu308]

Yeah, Charile's right, 260's are too hard to load for...

47.0gn of H4831SC is what the majority of us run. I just had a fresh barrel put on my KMW by Marc Soulie of Spartan Precision Rifles and with the old left over rounds from my last barrels it shot .3s out of the gate.

Not the fastest load, but by far one of the most accurate loads out to 1K...and beyond.

[Gnzrme]

Are all these Newman rifles and what remer are they using for the 260....

[vu308]

That's really impressive/promising results. Thanks for taking the time to find everyones caliber and posting it. Now if we could get you to post up everyones scope we would be in business

I tried my best to remember who uses what...check it out.

[DirtRacer151]

Not the fastest load, but by far one of the most accurate loads out to 1K...and beyond.

What does that give you guys velocity wise? I was getting about 2800 with that load in my 26" 260. It was definitely the most accurate load I shot in my first 260 barrel but I switched to H4350 w/ 44.0gr @ 2880 with only a slight drop in accuracy.

[DirtRacer151]

I tried my best to remember who uses what...check it out.

Fuckin go team Premier!!!!!

Thanks Vu!!

[vu308]

What does that give you guys velocity wise? I was getting about 2800 with that load in my 26" 260. It was definitely the most accurate load I shot in my first 260 barrel but I switched to H4350 w/ 44.0gr @ 2880 with only a slight drop in accuracy.

2800 to 2825 is what we see on the norm. I was about 8.3 mils out to 1K with a 26" tube with 1300 rounds down the pipe. At 2000 2200 rounds you will start to see your velocity drop and will need more elevation.

Accuracy will still be there...

My fresh barreled 260 has a really short throat and I am running 43.5 of H4350 and its shooting in the .3s at mid 2800s easily.

[vu308]

Are all these Newman rifles and what remer are they using for the 260....

Some are Newman Precision

Some are BBRs

Some are GAPs

Some are Spartan Precision

Reamers are 260 Match reamers with .098 freebore for the most part.

Almost all are bartlein barrels 1:8.5

[vu308]

Fuckin go team Premier!!!!!

Thanks Vu!!

And most of those guys that own Premier, own mutiples. I have 3, Jacob has 3, Shawn has 2...

[DirtRacer151]

And most of those guys that own Premier, own mutiples. I have 3, Jacob has 3, Shawn has 2...

With all the scope hoopla that floats around I've seriously been considering swapping mine for something else. It really has never let me down but its hard not to get caught in the middle. I sent it back to Premier yesterday to have the parallax switched to the new version and they are gonna give it a shake down.

I guess the reality is show up and shoot with what works for you. I shot the 260 and Premier all last year and it worked great for me. No sense trying to change a good thing.... and stop listening to Ryan because he gives corrupted advice to his competitors I wish it worked as well the other way around though. I tried to convince him last week that he could do just as well shooting a bushnell 3200 10x but he wasn't buying it.

[Gnzrme]

Wow...Somebody bought stock in premier....but if its working for you guys.... Also, you mentioned at 2000 rounds you were needing more elevation.... How many rounds are you guys getting out of your 260's and when are you re-barreling?

[rksimple]

I love it when my competition uses Premier.

I'll give them another couple years. They found out quite a bit the first couple years. The next couple is to see if the new design works.

[DirtRacer151]

I love it when my competition uses Premier.

Bushnell 10x is where its at man... im tellin you!!!

[Connor P Price]

That's one heck of a turn out. Glad to see 260's up top to.

[Gnzrme]

Bushnell 10x is where its at man... im tellin you!!!

He would still kick our butts.....

[264Charlie]

If the 1-10 guys all shot 260 and PHs that does mean they are better or worse than X scope or round. That's just what the good guys shot in that match.

Randall, what does results have to how easy a round is to load for. Last I heard Francis does a lot of load work up and brass and bullet prep.

[DirtRacer151]

If the 1-10 guys all shot 260 and PHs that does mean they are better or worse than X scope or round. That's just what the good guys shot in that match.

Randall, what does results have to how easy a round is to load for. Last I heard Francis does a lot of load work up and brass and bullet prep.

I don't think that those results say that 260s with Premiers are the best you can get. We all know the every caliber/scope has its flaws. Those reuslts do show that good shooters do trust Premiers and 260s though and the combo obviously works for them. For 2 of the most debated topics on this forum and the top scope and caliber in the center of those debates I think those results should prove that this is all a wash. Let's face it... if I could get brass for 6.5x47 for as cheap as I do 7mm-08 id be shooting a lapua. We all know its an awesome round and you have helped prove that. Its really not needed though and certainly doesn't offer any significant advantages to the other 6.5s. As for Premiers.. we all know the history. These guys obviously seem to have put that history behind them and its working. That gives me some new confidence!

[Gnzrme]

I just want to know how Vu and crew are getting 2k rounds out of their bbls...

[264Charlie]

I just want to know how Vu and crew are getting 2k rounds out of their bbls...

Shooting at 2800 and strings of fire are lower and longer. You can shoot a 260 at over 2920.

[rksimple]

I made it to 2500 rounds or so in my 260 and it was still hammering. Velocity was slow as hell and it threw fliers if it was dirty, but you can limp them along.

[Gnzrme]

Ok, that makes me feel better about making a 260...since I shoot about 300 rounds a month....Will probably shoot my 308 and save the 260.... (when its built...)

[vu308]

If the 1-10 guys all shot 260 and PHs that does mean they are better or worse than X scope or round. That's just what the good guys shot in that match.

Randall, what does results have to how easy a round is to load for. Last I heard Francis does a lot of load work up and brass and bullet prep.

Charlie...agreed, it means absolutely jack shit. The bottom line is you have to have trust and confidence in your hardware..no matter what you decide to drive. You guys like what you guys like for good reason. We have our likes and dislikes. As long as your results down range is what you want, does it really matter?

It is like a Toyota guy vs. a Ford guy..

We know, like our 260s, and they have served us well. We also like our Premiers, and they have served us well for 99% of the time. If they didn't serve us well, you would see a fire sale in a heart beat. Or when a better mouse trap is available, we will move to them.

Evolve, or get left behind in the dust.

YMMV,

Vu

[vu308]

Another note...I bet you anything right now...Ryan can spank most of the guys on your line with a 308win and a Leupold MK4, just like Francis can whoop (and have) us up here with a 308win, 175s going 2700FPS, and a NXS.

It comes down to the trigger puller, not the $$$$ you spend on a rig. If $$$$ matters, I should have won something by now. LMAO.

[DirtRacer151]

Another note...I bet you anything right now...Ryan can spank most of the guys on your line with a 308win and a Leupold MK4, just like Francis can whoop (and have) us up here with a 308win, 175s going 2700FPS, and a NXS.

It comes down to the trigger puller, not the $$$$ you spend on a rig. If $$$$ matters, I should have won something by now. LMAO.

I agree... can we make Ryan and Francis use a 10x bushnell and 308 for TBRC to prove this?

[AR15barrels]

It is like a Toyota guy vs. a Ford guy..

wait, I'm so confused...
I'm a toyota guy, but I have a ford truck!
What do I do?

[Gnzrme]

break down on the side of the road and wish you were in your toyota...