Wegc PBR AAR 5-17-15

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Sun May 17, 2015 5:54 pm

So ......today's match was the most difficult match todate having to team up with another shooter to work in tandem the way our boys oversees work, having to work as a team really made or broke you & the guys who really communicated with each other the best were the ones who really shined, you were pretty much as good as your spotter was. This presented a few problems for the guys who did not have matching turrets to match their reticles like the very old school outdated mildot reticles with MOA knobs or standard duplex reticles. For all you newer guys to PBR don't get discouraged YOU shot the most difficult match today congrats on completing it!

We had 14 shooters with 1 fng Rich E who is no slouch Rich helps run the camp Pendleton matches for SMGC but this was his first PBR match. Get that hair trigger worked out & come on back tocayo!!

We started up on the hill for the first 3 stages then moved onto the 500m pad. Weather was a bit chilli at times with the wind blowing with a slight breeze just enough to push your 400yd paper targets off the black X ring.

Today's COF was as follows
Shot gun pad**
Stage 1 (Team relay holdover) - 8 rounds
Beginning prone behind rifle, bolts back
236yd JC poppers, 307yd LV flappers, 393yd IPSC flappers, 514yd 8” plates
No prep time
180sec shoot time
On beep shooters will engage targets in the following order with 1 shot each - Delta, Bravo, Charlie, Alpha, then repeat. Advance if you miss. Shooters may not touch their knobs once stage begins. This is a relay meaning only 1 shooter on your team will shoot at a time. The other shooter will be waiting behind the firing line until the shooter fires, gets up, runs back and tags their team mate. This will signal the waiting team mates turn to run up and engage their target. You must relay after each shot.
Evin & myself both scored 30 pts for the stage highest points scored.

Stage 2 (Long range paper) - 5 rounds
Beginning prone behind rifle, bolts back
400yd paper
No prep time
70sec shoot time
On beep shooters will engage their numbered target with 5 rounds. The shooters partner will be able to spot and help guide the shooter on the the target if needed.
I Rich G scored 40 pts for the highest score on the paper stage with my gasser 308

Stage 3 (your dope is fucked) - 6 rounds
Beginning prone behind rifle, bolts back
514yd 8” plates & 307yd “tooth” target
No prep time
120 sec shoot time
Shooters will dial their dope and then step away from rifles. RO will then spin shooters elevation AND windage knob (UP or DOWN/LEFT or RIGHT) no more than __ mils in any direction. A piece of tape will be placed over the scopes knobs and shooters are forbidden from pulling tape off or peaking in any way.
On beep shooters will engage the 514yd target. Shooters should coach each other on misses to guide each other on to target (both shooters knobs will be spun the same amount). After the shooter has successfully hit the 514yd target they may engage the 307yd “tooth” with remaining rounds. Only 1 impact is needed per target. Each hit is worth 30pts and if both shooters successfully hit both targets they will receive 10 bonus points. Points possible = 70
We had a lot of shooters score 30pts Jason,Brett,Chris,myself,Joe,Evin,Netza

500m pad**
Stage 4 (picking up the slack) - 6 rounds
Beginning prone behind rifles, bolts back
150yd JC poppers, 220yd LV flappers, 320yd MGM spinner, 270 t-post flapper, 320 IPSC flappers.
No prep time
70 sec shoot time
On beep shooters will engage the LV flappers with 1 shot each (top to bottom). Then transition to the 150yd JC poppers with 1 round, then transition to the 320yd IPSC flappers with 1 round. If all targets have been successfully then shooters may attempt to spin the MGM spinner. Shooters will help each other spin the spinner with any rounds left over. 30pt bonus for spinning spinner. Must hit to advance. Shooters may elect to not try for spinner and engage the t-post flapper for 5pts instead if their partner does not have any rounds left to spin the spinner

Stage 5 (buddy barricades) - 6 rounds
Beginning port arms with mag in and bolts back
220yd 12” plate
No prep
90sec shoot time
On beep shooters will use their teammate to shoot over each step of the barricade with 2 shots. Rifle may not be supported by anything other than your teammates body.
Jason,Brett & Arthur all scored 60 pts

Stage 6 (calling your dope) - 5 rounds
Beginning prone behind rifle with bolts back
80yd paper
No prep
70 sec shoot time
On beep shooters teammate will MIL targets on the sample sheet and give off calls to the shooter who will engage their numbered (Hidden) target. Shooter may not transition to the sample sheet at any time during the COF.
Evin & myself cleaned the stage thanks to Joes spotting skills

Stage 7 (shooting sticks) - 6 rounds
Beginning port arms with mag in and bolt back
320yd 12” plate
No prep
90 sec shoot time
On beep shooters teammate will situate shooting sticks to desired position and hold them there while shooter engages target with 6 rounds.
Jason & Brett scored 60 pts cleaning the stage

Stage 8 (spin cycle) - 8 rounds
Beginning port arms with mag in and bolt back
MGM spinner
No prep
120 sec shoot time
On beep one shooter will go prone and the other will transition to tank trap. Shooters MUST alternate shots in an attempt to spin the MGM spinner. No more then 2 consecutive shots may be taken in the prone position (3 from tank trap) and then shooters must swap positions. Shooters must also swap positions after each successful spin. 20pts PER shooter for each successful spin on the spinner.
Doug was the only shooter to successfully get it to spin thanks to his partner Jason who sadly ND'd on the transition zeroing the stage. Sorry homie

Congrats to the top finishers
1st place Brett 278pts & also takes Top Team award along with his teammate Arthur
2nd place Evin 269 pts
3rd place Jason 265 pts
4. Myself Mexican Rich G 265 pts (I cheated using multiple rifles today)
5. Doug 226 pts
6. Arthur 215 pts & takes Top Team along with Brett
7. Joe 210 pts
8. Netza 174 pts & takes TOP 308 medal ... Way to go paisa great performance!!
9. Chris 82 pts
10. Rich E 30 pts (new to PBR) 4 way tie 10th - 13th
11. Rick N 30 pts
12. David 30 pts
13. Robert 30 pts
14. Ray 20 pts & earns himself a PBR certificate for a free match on his next try at PBR

Big thanks to Robert & Chris for taking down all the steel after the match & getting them back in the connex!
Thank you

Today's winners circle

Evin & Joe shooting "your dope is fucked" Joe called Evins correction spot on for his buddy to successfully get on target.. Great job Joe & Evin

Netza & Rich E shooting as a team

Jason & Doug communicating to get them hits

Chris in action

Today's top team Brett & Arthur... These guys were outstanding today correcting each other.

Jason & Doug on the STIX

Chris & Robert shooting the Spin Cycle

David shooting old school style ... No rear bag & standard duplex reticle proving it can be done.

Robert in action

Evin & Joe on the STIX

Here is the milling stage "calling your dope" the spotter would mil the circle targets to his shooter who would only see the smile face aiming dot on the next pic.

Targets after correct mil corrections & holds

Thanks to Joe ,Evin & myself cleaned the targets proving you are only as good as your spotter great calls Joe

Dave & Rick working together on the STIX

gau17 · Post by **gau17** » Sun May 17, 2015 6:25 pm

Those stages sound really fun

evo · Post by **evo** » Sun May 17, 2015 6:34 pm

Thanks for a fun and challenging match guys!

LoneWolf · Post by **LoneWolf** » Sun May 17, 2015 7:41 pm

Bummed I had to miss this one. We need to do more like this!

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Sun May 17, 2015 8:18 pm

LoneWolf wrote: We need to do more like this!

I think it was fun. I was wishing i could shoot it!! Some of the stages i would watch people struggle on and it just made me wanna get behind the rifle and challenge myself.

Its definitely not a beginners match. We learned a few things today about how to make it a little better if we ever decided to do it again.

The big thing about PBR is we're trying not to let anything get stale. Trying to always mix it up and do different shit. Sometimes it works and everyone loves it...sometimes not so much.

We're always open to suggestions if anyone has any fun ideas. Send 'em my way or to Rich G!

LoneWolf · Post by **LoneWolf** » Sun May 17, 2015 8:20 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:
I think it was fun. I was wishing i could shoot it!! Some of the stages i would watch people struggle on and it just made me wanna get behind the rifle and challenge myself.

Its definitely not a beginners match. We learned a few things today about how to make it a little better if we ever decided to do it again.

The big thing about PBR is we're trying not to let anything get stale. Trying to always mix it up and do different shit. Sometimes it works and everyone loves it...sometimes not so much.

We're always open to suggestions if anyone has any fun ideas. Send 'em my way or to Rich G!

Next time I get to brainstorming I'll send it your way!

Ice Man · Post by **Ice Man** » Mon May 18, 2015 12:12 am

The " your dope is fucked" was a difficult but very good learning stage. Great match guys I had a lot of fun. Thanks for all your hard work getting it together.

Post by **thegiff** » Mon May 18, 2015 6:44 am

Awesome stages guys, too bad I missed it, I'm jealous.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon May 18, 2015 9:50 am

Ice Man wrote:The " your dope is fucked" was a difficult but very good learning stage.

Zero stop and good tactile clicks for the win!

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Mon May 18, 2015 10:07 am

AR15barrels wrote:
Zero stop and good tactile clicks for the win!

Does your windage have zero stop too?

Many things get changed between whats announced before a stage and whats is posted on our COF days before a match (which is what Rich G copys and pastes for his AAR). Usually the time limits get changed as needed and special wording if we realize something was left out. In this case nobody was allowed to touch their knobs at all. The objective was to simulate a zero shift or just having something out of whack. We told everyone before the stage started "you're going to miss your first shot". The goal was just to hit each target 1 time and get 30pts each instead of the traditional 10pts each. They had 6 shots to get it done and it technically could've been completed in 3 shots. Most guys that hit the first target couldn't figure out the math on the fly to hit the closer target which would have most likely required a hold under on top of your corrections. Orrr they spent to much time after hitting to spot for their buddy that they timed out before even engaging the 2nd one.

Post by **AR15barrels** » Mon May 18, 2015 3:48 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:
Does your windage have zero stop too?

Sorta.
It has hard stops exactly 1/2 turn in each direction from zero.
If I could not see the numbers due to tape, I could still spin the knob to a stop and come back half a turn and it would be really close.

As written above, this would be an easy stage for me to game.
I'm glad you made it so they can't touch the knobs for the first shot.
That's much harder to game.

bcrich · Post by **bcrich** » Mon May 18, 2015 4:46 pm

If you would have touched your knobs you would have zero'd the stage, we don't pass out the cof but we read out the instructions and let's them know you couldn't touch um. There is always a way to game a stage I agree.

postal · Post by **postal** » Fri May 22, 2015 2:04 pm

Sounds rough.... but a lot of fun.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Fri May 22, 2015 3:43 pm

Would anyone be opposed to us doing this again? Say like every 6 months do a team match?

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Fri May 22, 2015 3:52 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:Would anyone be opposed to us doing this again? Say like every 6 months do a team match?

Sounds like fun. You could even mix it up by drawing partners at random.

evo · Post by **evo** » Fri May 22, 2015 4:25 pm

I think it's a great idea, and I'm also curious about how you would select teams.

DirtRacer151 · Post by **DirtRacer151** » Fri May 22, 2015 6:55 pm

evo wrote:I think it's a great idea, and I'm also curious about how you would select teams.

We could try drawing names at random. I'm not opposed to trying it.

Personally I'm more of a fan of letting people pick their team mates.
Think about this. We can make a belt or some kinda trophy and it will stay with the winning team for 6 months until the next time when those same 2 guys MUST show up to defend their title. You could choose your partner ahead of time. Practice together and get ready. Then show up to whoop some butts. I don't really see this as unfair. The less experienced shooters will still finish where they normally would and the more experienced guys will finish in their usual spots. Only difference is now you BOTH have to put together a solid match.

If we wanna pair less experienced guys with experienced guys then I'd rather call it more of a pro-am. Sure it helps build confidence in the new guys and it helps the sport grow by attracting the timid ones but that's not exactly what i see this idea as.

Whats everyone else think? We can try it different ways.

buffybuster · Post by **buffybuster** » Sat May 23, 2015 9:02 pm

DirtRacer151 wrote:
We could try drawing names at random. I'm not opposed to trying it.

Personally I'm more of a fan of letting people pick their team mates.
Think about this. We can make a belt or some kinda trophy and it will stay with the winning team for 6 months until the next time when those same 2 guys MUST show up to defend their title. You could choose your partner ahead of time. Practice together and get ready. Then show up to whoop some butts. I don't really see this as unfair. The less experienced shooters will still finish where they normally would and the more experienced guys will finish in their usual spots. Only difference is now you BOTH have to put together a solid match.

If we wanna pair less experienced guys with experienced guys then I'd rather call it more of a pro-am. Sure it helps build confidence in the new guys and it helps the sport grow by attracting the timid ones but that's not exactly what i see this idea as.

Whats everyone else think? We can try it different ways.

Both methods have their pros/cons

Set teams test teamwork & planning.

Random teams test improvisation and communication.

heitmann45 · Post by **heitmann45** » Sun May 24, 2015 9:39 am

Why not do one of each? Team match every so many months and a "pro am" style however many times a year. That's the extent of my brainstorming ability.

postal · Post by **postal** » Sun May 24, 2015 4:40 pm

Either sounds good to me.

Post by **Hollywood_Shooter** » Mon May 25, 2015 10:19 pm

Wow! An impressive (and somewhat intimidating) COF. I was sad I missed the match, until I read this thread, and now I'm somewhat conflicted. I definitely need more practice!

Meanwhile, I hope everyone had an excellent Memorial Day. My thanks, thoughts, and prayers to all those who have served and sacrificed. All gave some, and some gave all.

jojima · Post by **jojima** » Wed May 27, 2015 8:26 am

Thanks for another awesome match. And thanks for being inviting for new guys. I just signed up for the forum and I'm definitely going to be in regular attendance at WEGC matches.